Newly Disclosed NSA Documents Shed Further Light on Five Eyes Alliance

“(Compare that with, for example, the statement by David Lange, the former prime minister of New Zealand, who remarked that “it was not until I read [the] book [“Secret Power” by Nicky Hager, which details the history of New Zealand’s Government Communications Security Bureau] that I had any idea that we had been committed to an international integrated electronic network.” He continued that “it is an outrage that I and other ministers were told so little, and this raises the question of to whom those concerned saw themselves ultimately answerable.”)”

—Scarlet Kim and Paulina Perrin, “Newly Disclosed NSA Documents Shed Further Light on Five Eyes Alliance.” Lawfare. March 25, 2018.

The reason that ideas like “the deep state” resonate with some people is that there is truth to them. While I’m sure incoming Presidents and Prime Ministers are given access to a great deal of “secret” information, it would take years to cover every important agreement or established ways of doing things, like the Five Eyes agreement. Who decides? And what kind of accountability is there? This illustrates that the likely answer is, “None.”

5 thoughts on “Newly Disclosed NSA Documents Shed Further Light on Five Eyes Alliance

  1. Hi….been working in the garden lately, not reading much, but this perked up my interest.
    I read the Forward to the book and I agree with what you say above. There is no accountability…..what do you know or have you heard of the annual Bilderberg Conference? it is held under Chatham House rules and it is really scary when you see who attends.
    I see there is a movie that came out in 2017, I will have to try to see it.
    As always find your nuggets of info food for thought……

    1. My worldview is that things are primarily governed by random chance and incentives of an environment. Conspiracy theories, like those around Bilderberg, are often based on ideas that we have more control than we do. The function of a conspiracy theory is often to provide meaning where there isn’t any. I’m toiling at this bullshit job, in prison or wherever because of the evil mechinations of some group, often one I’m prejudiced against. I prefer to find my own meaning rather the salve the wound of meaninglessness with a conspiracy theory, which requires nothing but belief and a smug, self-satisfied sense that I am more important than I am.

      In the grand scheme of things, no one is important. Even Shakespeare will be forgotten, eventually. How do you want to deal with that? Adopt an attitude of a conspiracy theory? Or, is it better to stare down into the abyss of meaning in the hope we’ll see something there? That’s the quintessential choice of life.

      1. will think on this while I work in the garden. I am far from a conspiracy theorist but I do like to read about what others see as their reality.
        “random chance and incentives of environment” are you meaning just dealing with the realities of what shows up in front of you daily the randomness of it all?
        You have obviously pondered this in a deeper way than I have. I have been attending some on going discussions around the theories of Brian Swimme cosmologist and mathematician I am finding his thoughts compelling and on some level comforting. Do you have any thoughts?

      2. More idiosyncratic maybe. It can be difficult to tell the difference between deeper and different. Most of your points of reference are ideas from people I’ve never heard of before, such as Brian Swimme. Since I just heard his name through you, I’m not in a position to comment on his ideas in any meaningful way.

        The key point I’m making here is our lives are not someone’s plan. However, there are a lot of people that find comfort in that idea, whether it’s God’s plan, the Bilderburgs, aliens or something else. As a mental model, thinking in terms of evolution, dialectical materialism, random chance or whatever, we can acknowledge that there are forces beyond our control that impact our lives. At the same time, we can also recognize that we have a lot of agency to decide what our lives look like. Conspiracy theories strike me as a form of helplessness, like leaving outcomes in God’s hands or blaming other people or groups for our misfortunes (even if they had a role to play). Circumstances are largely indifferent to individuals, and it is up to us, individually and as part of communities, to decide where to focus our efforts and to maximize the opportunities that are in the range of the possible.

        So, to return it to Five Eyes, the question I think it leaves us asking is how do you deal with it? Do you focus on it as a conspiracy or governments? Do you try to limit your exposure via Tor Browser? Do you discount it as a problem, i.e., people with nothing to hide don’t need to worry about surveillance? There’s a whole range of responses available to us here.

      3. hmmmmm, the garden is calling… be continued….. I think although we may have different (some shared) points of reference we are pretty well in the same place in what we see as possible and how we see our position
        from the place where “we sit on the rim of the well of darkness and fish for fallen light with patience”

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